CABPRO has been interviewing Tom McClintock, Sue Horne and Barry Pruett, among others, and uploading the discussion onto the internet.
A Google search also shows “CABPRO’s Dick Marshall interviews Dai Meagher.”
But when you click on the link, the video doesn’t load.
I keep wondering whether CABPRO’s endorsement of Dai is a blessing or a curse. The county’s Democratic Central Committee also has endorsed Dai for county Treasurer.
All five county supervisors have endorsed his opponent, Tina Vernon.
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BTW, here’s the CABPRO interview with once-aspiring clerk-recorder candidate Barry Pruett:
Just dandy… the CABPRO, Tea Party, ultra right candidate has the endorsement of the county’s Democratic Central Committee… somebody sure made a big mistake!
Is there a doubt as to where the major support for the Meagher campaign for Treasurer/Tax Collector lies? Is there possibly a reason why the link to the video of the Meagher interview by CABRO isn’t working? An insert in The Union (sometimes known as The Tea Party Gazette) of the pledge, put out by the Grover Norquist out of county tax organization and signed by Meagher, is very much in harmony with the first principle of the Tea Party organizations throughout the nation. Is Congressman Tom McClintock, known for his no tax stance and member of the Congressional Tea Party caucus, who urged voters to get rid of the “left wing” incumbent in the NC Clerk Recorder’s office, then running against Tea Party advocate and husband of McClintock’s staffer Kim Pruett, a friend of CABRO? Is Meagher another Tea Party candidate?
These are all questions to which Democrats need answers before they follow the endorsement given Meagher by NCDCC.
Hate to say this, yours truly having been a member of that group last 4+ years, and doing a lot of good work for Obama and Charlie Brown, but nobody’s perfect: as for the Meagher endorsement, how many members of NCDCC dies it take to screw in a light bulb?
Gee Pat, people who made a different decision than you did are not stupid. That light bulb remark was pretty nasty. Please have a little respect for differences of opinion.
I believe that is is contingent on a candidate for any office, non-partisan or not, to reach out to all voters. I think a candidate is remiss if he or she does not. Certainly in a partisan race, there is a built in base. But few can win even a partisan, no less a non-partisan race without a number of those in the middle and even on the other side.
It seems that Dai Meagher gets vilified by some for reaching out to the right when he obviously reached out just as much to the left. His opponent also reached out to left and right, but seems to have a suit of Teflon as far as some liberals and/or Democrats are concerned. I find it amazing that Democrats endorsing/supporting a Republican are angry at Democrats endorsing a DTS, but it is what it is.
As for the tax pledge, the words on the paper are innocuous. I might have signed it, too, under similar circumstances. Only the most die-hard of liberals even know about Grover Norquist. I know because I listen to an unusually large amount of liberal radio, via the Internet, each day. Frankly, most people have never heard of him. In any case, the Treasurer does not make tax policy, the Treasurer merely carries it out so it really is a moot point.
The bottom line is I don’t disqualify a candidate because I disagree with some of that candidates other supporters on some things, or that the candidate has reached out to a broad spectrum of voters. Respectful discourse about each candidate’s merits is a good thing. Sadly that seems to be missing from many comments that have more to do with guilt by association than with the candidates abilities, education and experience.
Gail, Since you’re a member of the NCDCC, it’s your job to know who Grover Norquist is. It’s also your job to follow the by-laws of the central committee in endorsing candidates. Did you? You can find your by-laws here: http://www.nevadacountydemocrats.com/page.php?14
Were all members of the NCDCC given the requisite notice that an endorsement was being considered so that they could either be present at the meeting or arrange to vote by proxy? And how does being a Little League Coach qualify one for being our county treasurer and tax collector? Though Mr. Meagher claims to have run a successful business, and then manage money and a payroll, the Union reported that the Franchise tax board had a lien against his property. He also claims he studied Treasury Management from the University of Georgia’s carl Vinson Institute of Government. Kindly take the time to read this article as reported by Yuba Net recently. http://yubanet.com/regional/Tina-Vernon-MBA-Scores-100-Percent-on-Treasury-Management-Course-from-the-University-of-Georgia-s-Carl-Vinson-Institute-of-Government.php. One final question: Is the NCDCC having a closed meeting on the 21st to reconsider their stand on this issue when most mail in ballots have already been received and many have already been mailed in?
“Only the most die-hard of liberals even know about Grover Norquist. I know because I listen to an unusually large amount of liberal radio, via the Internet, each day. Frankly, most people have never heard of him.”
I don’t know who you run with but most of my friends with functioning brains know who that sociopath Norquist is, and I assume anyone who signs on with him know full well who they’re dealing with also. On the other hand, yes, the morons who blindly follow and do what they’re told under the auspice of the Tea Party Movement and far right probably haven’t heard of him, and that’s just how he likes it.
It’s not hard to lie to people who aren’t used to using their brains, and Norquist is a master of manipulation for that group. For him it’s like leading the sheep to the slaughter, and that’s fine with him.
So now maybe a few more people know who he is. I suggest googling him if you want to experience some Kafkaesque black theater.
Bruce, I took your invitation to Google Norquist but I didn’t find the Kafkaesque black theater you promised.
The world isn’t made up only of Snidely Whiplashes and Dudley Do-Rights. It is a world of people who ultimately have a lot in common. There is particularly now a lot of confusion but painting the picture as black and white doesn’t help. I am certain that dissolving this polarity will begin by finding where there is agreement and building from there.
Seems weird enough for me, especially since he appears to shepherding his Wikipedia bio very carefully, such that there is no mention of:
” Could this be because of the influence of conservative kingmaker and power-broker Grover Norquist, who is a member of the Board of Directors of the American Conservative Union, which hosts CPAC? The only event concerning the war on America at CPAC was worse than nothing at all: It was an Islamic propaganda (taqiyya) presentation entitled “You’ve Been Lied To: Why Real Conservatives are Against the War on Terror.” Its message was that “real conservatives” don’t support the war on terror because it is a creation of the “Israeli lobby.”
How did CPAC come to this?
Grover Norquist’s ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes — who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005 — are very active in “Muslim outreach.” Just six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an exposé explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 — to show how Muslims rejected terrorism. Wrote TNR author Franklin Foer:
On the afternoon of September 26, George W. Bush gathered 15 prominent Muslim- and Arab-Americans at the White House. With cameras rolling, the president proclaimed that “the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good.” It was a critically important moment, a statement to the world that America’s Muslim leaders unambiguously reject the terror committed in Islam’s name.”
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/10/senate_report_slams_norquist_c.php#more
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/06/norquist_a_blast_from_his_mone.php#more
http://www.nationalcorruptionindex.com/pages/profile.php?profile_id=21
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/3/131814/609
Bruce. Fine words to remember.
CABPRO Endorsement = VERNON victory.
A must read on Yuba Net about Dai Meagher’s latest attack against Tina Vernon and her supporters. Seems Meagher will sotp at nothing to try and get elected… nice job by those that have supported/endorsed Meagher… you made a real bad choice!
LINK:
http://yubanet.com/regional/Tina-Vernon-MBA-Reports-Attempted-Intimidation-By-Opponent.php
Here’s part of the Yubanet story, use the link to read the whole story:
“Nevada City October 18, 2010 — In what appears could be a pattern of intimidation, Tina Vernon’s opponent has sent, through legal counsel, veiled threats to the Vernon Campaign via the Vernon campaign website email system. The text of the communique referred to a post on the Tina Vernon for Treasurer Facebook page, posted by a Vernon supporter.
In correspondence received Friday from a man identifying himself as Thomas Meagher, Esq., of San Francisco, Vernon was called out for a post made on her campaign Facebook page on October 6th which made light of Meagher’s past tax lien. The comment, posted by a Vernon supporter, alluded to the thought that one who fails to pay taxes until hauled into court might not be the best choice for Tax Collector. The referenced financial indiscretion was brought to light on a local blog by Dai Meagher, who was taking a swipe at Vernon for a bankruptcy which occurred when she found herself to be the suddenly single mother of two and sole support of her young children. The entire situation was brought to the attention of voters, via the blog, to which Dai Meagher had supplied copies of the bankruptcy paperwork.”
Gee wiz, Steve. Tina’s campaign can supporters can do no wrong, but when Dai and his campaign battle back he is portrayed as a bogeyman. Glad Tina’s Teflon suit is all shined up.
Gail, this blog acts as a public forum, kindly provided by Jeff, who supplies lead off topics for comments. It is not the place for airing personal antipathies,nor personal insults directed at other bloggers. I am referring to your statement calling a comment of mine “nasty.” If you have anything of that type further to say to me, take it off blog. You have my e-mail address from the listings for NCDCC, which you, as a member, are privy to, a fact which you have thus far failed to make clear in your posts, as also your position as having been an endorser of Dai Meagher for Treasurer/Tax Collector. I have stated all of this and my position, and it is only fair that you do so too.
As for the NCDCC endorsenment, if it was a mistake, as I believe it was and evidence clearly shows, there is no shame in admitting the error, but only in refusing to do so and thereby compounding it and prolonging it.
Pat, I think your light bulb comment was a personal attack on the intelligence of the members of the NCDCC who supported endorsing Dai Meagher. I believe calling it nasty was one of the most mild responses I could have made. I called the comment nasty, not you. I have no personal antipathy towards you. I have always had a lot of respect for you.
You do not control what I say here, Jeff does. If he thinks I was out of line in my response to you, I’m waiting to hear from him. You made a comment here and I responded here, and then you responded here and now I’m responding here. It seems fair to me.
You are entitled to your opinion about the endorsement, but others are entitled to theirs. Please respect those differences and do not disparage their intelligence with comments like the light bulb one.
P.S. I know Jeff knows, and I think others here also know I’m a member of the NCDCC. It is public record. However, I’ve been speaking as an individual, something I’ve added to many of my posts, but not this time. So to be clear, everything and anything that I post here I do so as an individual. I do not an will not speak for the NCDCC as a body in a public forum.
So Gail Allinson is a member of the Board of the NCDCC? That’s important information all things considered.
With all the information that has come out about Dia Meagher and his direct connections to the hard core, extreme right, CABPRO, to extreme right office holders like Tom MC and the Tea Party gang it’s clear… someone on the NCDCC Board got taken for a ride by a guy saying he was/is a Dem.
The question now is.. what lessons have been learned and will the NCDCC folks that provided Meagher the NCDCC endorsement take responsibilty for their actions or will they just continue to be defensive and try to slap those that have brought the real story forward?
Steve, Dai is not a Dem, he is a DTS. Tina Vernon is a Republican.
P.S. I did not notice the “Board” part of your post in my first read, Steve. I’m not a member of the Board. I’m simply a member and would never make a claim to be a Board member when I am not.
Gail, if Dai is a DTS then why did the NCDCC even endorse him? What possible value was there in doing that? It’s clear that the NCDCC endorsement went to a hard right-wing candidate.
More and more info about Dia Meagher, the ultra right candidate keeps coming out. I hope some wake up to the reality of the situation, I hope some at the NCDCC see the light.
This just off the CABPRO website!
Selected CABPRO Candidates Recommendations:
Governor: Meg Whitman
U.S. Senate: Carly Fiorina
U.S. Representative 4th Congressional District: Tom McClintock
State Assembly 3rd District: Dan Logue
State Senate 4th District: Doug LaMalfa
Nevada County Treasurer-Tax Collector: Dai Meagher, CPA
Such an nice list…
Dai is a middle of the road DTS with fine credentials for the job, and he is not a Rood Center insider groomed in secret for two years for the job. That’s why people from both sides of the aisle support him.
Gail, your characterization of Vernon as a “Rood Center insider groomed in secret for two years for the job” sounds very much in spirit to what you just criticized Wynne for: disrespectful shot from the hip. I know her and that comment could not be further from the truth.
Come on….. what’s the problem with just having an intelligent and thoughtful discussion instead of a war?
No shot from the hip meant, Greg. Dai is not a Rood Center insider. He was not trained for two year without the knowledge of the public by Ms. Dabis, something that Tina claims as a plus, by the way.
Gail, with all due respect, I will have to play devil’s advocate here.
Anyone who doesn’t learn all they can about what is going on around them is not doing their job well. Are you saying that if the positions were reversed, Dai would be a “Rood Center insider groomed in secret for two years?”
Hey Doug, was Tina trained for 2 years without the knowledge of the public by Chris Dabis or not? When did this the news of this training come out? As to the word “groomed” if you don’t like it then let me say “trained” I didn’t mean anything other than to state a fact and to attempt to explain the rationale that some of us have for supporting Dai. I didn’t think or mean “groomed” to be offensive, but if so taken let’s make it “trained” or “mentored” instead.
To answer your questions and if the situations were totally reversed — same people, same issues, just different names, then I would be still be supporting the CPA.
I’m tempted to ask who is being less respectful to who in this campaign, but I really have made an effort to state my case without being disrespectful to Tina’s supporters. As to the candidates, they should be a little tougher. I believe that Tina supporters have no trouble “shooting from the hip” at Dai or his supporters as is evidenced in this thread and the many others on this subject.
One more thing Doug. Tina was not part of the Treasurer’s office. She was not employed there. The mentoring was supposed to have occurred after hours, which is fine, but to say that the mentoring was part of Tina’s job or necessary to her job is inaccurate. To me it is clear that there was a plan for a successor hatched in secret and Tina stepped into to the race as an an anointed (yes as in hereditary office anointing) replacement for Dabis. That bothers me. It is one, but not the most important reason, I’m supporting Dai.
From Tina’s announcement:
“Tina has been in public service with the County of Nevada for the past 9.5 years, the last six spent in the County Executive Office as an Analyst working closely with Administration and the financial matters of the county. She is furthering her experience by dedicating time with Chris Dabis. “I have attended the County Association of County Treasurer-Tax Collectors Educational Seminars for the past two years at my own expense. These opportunities have enhanced my understanding of the role of the County Treasurer-Tax Collector and have given me a chance to meet other individuals directly involved in the day to day operations of other County Treasurer & Tax Collectors offices around the State. There is a wealth of knowledge out there, and when it comes to investing taxpayer funds, one can never have enough experience.”
Sounds to me like Dabris was NOT the sole mentor, and that Tina instead took professional advancement courses aimed at those already in such offices, at her own expense. I don’t think there is a crime there, at all. Was Dabis supposed to call up every potential candidate and suggest to them that they take the courses too? Please clarify.
“Was Dabis supposed to call up every potential candidate and suggest to them that they take the courses too? Please clarify.”
Of course, not. That thought has never even crossed my mind. I certainly did not and would not suggest that.
No Doug. I didn’t say there was a crime nor even imply that there was. I was merely stating something that influenced my thinking when making a choice between the two candidates. I said that the way she was mentored and chosen as a successor by Dabis bothered me. Both candidates have other outside training and educational experience that they got at their own expense. For example Dai is a CPA.
I believe that Dai, who is from outside the Rood Center culture will be able to provide better oversight of the county coffers. I happen to like transparency in government and that Tina was being mentored for an office by an Elected Official without the public knowing about it at the time, bothers me as an individual.
People can have the same facts and come to different conclusions. I respect this as one of those cases.
PS:
So let’s not forget the endorsements for Dai Meagher from Russ Steele and George Rebane too.
So their voter list is…
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
And… Dai Meagher
Get the picture now? Is it clear yet?
The picture as I see it is that you are a Tina Vernon supporter. You don’t want Dai to win. You also practice guilt by association, which it is your right to do. I think a candidate in a non-partisan race should reach out to ALL, which is my right to do. I also think that Dai is qualified for the job as a CPA who has handled large accounts. I also think that it is a plus to have someone from outside the Rood Center culture providing a little oversight. So Steve, is it clear yet?
Oh it was clear long ago… Dai Meager is a DTS-INO and a Tea Party, ultra right candidate.
“guilt by association”… nope, facts:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Steve, how can those be facts? Those are assumptions you make because some of Dai’s supporters will probably vote that way. Some of Dai’s supporters, the liberal supporters, will probably vote (“probably” because I can’t read minds and can’t see them mark their ballots), no on 23, Brown, Boxer, Harrington, Curtis, etc, etc, etc, — all straight down the left.
“Dai is a middle of the road… That’s why people from both sides of the aisle support him”.
Yep… Dai is in the middle of the road… standing right next to:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Dai is a DTS-INO… like a RINO.
Take RINO, take off the R and replace it with a DTS and you get a… DTSINO.
More snide remarks from Pat and Enos. Being a member of the NCDCC or the board is transparent. Look it up! ANY member that posts here posts as an individual. No member of the NCDCC would presume to speak for the entire local democratic party. So your constant reference to any doing so is completely mute, aggressive and destructive toward other posters.
Let’s not forget that Tina is a Republican, and you BOTH know what that stands for and the history that entails. So who abandoned the ship like scurrying rats? Who stands with their party?
Tina supported by the BOS: All conservatives and who may support the Young’s property request since they are supporting and throwing a party for Tina. Local politics at it’s worst.
Republicans who are likely to support:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
The political gamesmanship is ridiculous! Friendships tossed! Goodwill killed! All for what? A non-partisan position? I guess game is on – to bad it has nothing to do with the candidates and their qualifications for the office they seek.
PS. Who are the losers in this game? You support a Republican and Republican’s support:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Who looks the fool? Who eats their own? Who jumped ship? Who is attempting to force a split in the local democrats? Who are the people who support the above? REPUBLICANS. So the accusations against the NVDCC are wrong as wrong can get. Look at yourselves.
No… it’s reallly the Tea Party, hard right conservatives that support:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
and… Dia Meagher
“I guess game is on”… now a threat from a NCDCC Board member?
Dai is in the middle of the road… standing right next to:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Let’s See… Peter Vanzant has endorsed whom?
The NCDCC endorsement of Dai MEagher was a mistake. The attacks against those that have raised this issue and they information about Dai Meagher get attacked…
THIS PART WE AGREE ON…”All for what? A non-partisan position?’
Game on is a factual statement – hardly a threat. I don’t make threats.
That the NCDCC made a mistake is only your opinion, and since you are not a participating member your voice really counts for nothing among the NCDCC voting membership. Opine away – it affects nothing.
So – vote Republican! Just remember what and who Republicans stand for and with:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Do you not see the silliness of you OPINION?
October 12, on this blog Sharon Rose posted the following:
“The NCDC Executive Committee consists of six members. WE are a select group of officers within the NCDCC membership. Hardly “self-anointed” – WE hold that position by way of being the elected officers of the NCDCC. All legit Al. WE make no decisions outside of the general vote and consensus of NCDCC members. OUR main purpose is to set the agenda for the next monthly meeting, although there are at times special issues that arise.”
Notice the use of the words/terms “WE” and”OUR”?
But Sharon just posted… ” No member of the NCDCC would presume to speak for the entire local democratic party. So your constant reference to any doing so is completely mute’.
If you speak for yourself, not the NCDCC Board then use the words/terms “I” and “mine”… not “We” and “Ours” as you have done.
These days there is no difference between The Hard Right and the Republicans. NONE.
Also your false assertion that I am posting as NCDCC is incorrect.
I said: “The NCDC Executive Committee consists of six members. WE are a select group of officers within the NCDCC membership. Hardly “self-anointed” – WE hold that position by way of being the elected officers of the NCDCC. All legit Al. WE make no decisions outside of the general vote and consensus of NCDCC members. OUR main purpose is to set the agenda for the next monthly meeting, although there are at times special issues that arise.”
Where in that factual statement concerning how the NCDCC operates does it say I am posting as NCDCC?
I challenge you to correct your twisted facts.
Steve, explaining that the NCDCC board is elected by the NCDCC members, openly and not in a secret cabal, is a statement of procedural fact. Since Sharon is a member of the Board she used the words “we” and “our”. That is hardly the same thing as speaking for the Board. The NCDCC is governed by election code and bylaws, all of which are public. It is not speaking for the Board to state that the Board is democratically elected by the NCDCC members.
Sharon… If you speak for yourself, not the NCDCC Board then use the words/terms “I” and “mine”… not “we” and “ours” as you have done.
It really that simple.
This is a corrected version of how Sharon’s comment should have read if she wasn’t speaking for the Board:
“The NCDC Executive Committee consists of six members. WE (replace “we” with.. the Board) are a select group of officers within the NCDCC membership. Hardly “self-anointed” – WE (replace “we” with the Board) hold that position by way of being the elected officers of the NCDCC. All legit Al. WE (replace “we” with the Board ) make no decisions outside of the general vote and consensus of NCDCC members. OUR (replace with the Board’s) main purpose is to set the agenda for the next monthly meeting, although there are at times special issues that arise.”
It really is simple… do not use “we” and “our” unless you are speaking for the group.
Thanks to you all for reminding me why I “decline to state”.
Bob… nice!
You used the term “I”… as in speaking for yourself.
What a distraction from the goings on in the community. “I, me, mine!” More ridiculous posturing for a proclaimed liberal who now is supporting a REPUBLICAN who supports and stands for:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
Enos’s stance is weak at it’s best. The people who stand with “Teflon Tina” show how the “left elite” decide to shift and support the other “right elite” to maintain and hold the status quo in place. This race shows both sides of elitism for who they are. Anyone with any common sense can see what is happening here.
I proudly stand with the Democrats.
Sharon… just add me to your list of Tina Vernon supports, along with Peter Vanzant.
Yep… I’m part of the “left elite” along with Peter Vanzant and others. Guess we are not Democrats as you claim.
“Anyone with any common sense can see what is happening here”… Notice who isn’t supporting Tina Vernon the “R”?… telling!
Notice who is supporting Meagher and the Tea Party choices?… As provided by CABPRO:
Yes on Prop 23
Whitman
Fiorina
McClintock
Logue
LaMalfa
CABPRO
Russ Steele
George Rebane
AND… Dai Meagher.
Your argument remains mute.
I agree with RL. I’d like to change my voting preference to DTS after reading this exchange.
Democrats: Fire, Ready, Aim
Hardly “mute”. I think you mean moot Sharon.
Ooooops! There I go again! Being human is a real pain in the butt.
Republicans: Temper Tantrums “R” Us.
Here is a great story on how the Dems shot themselves in the foot trying to pass a comprehensive energy bill: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/11/101011fa_fact_lizza
I asked once , and I ask again, Gail and Sharon, take it off the blog.
To clarify to any readers not familiar with what the organization discussed here is, NCDCC, with the exception of Supervisorial Districe 3, which includes Grass Valley (membership is by supervisorial district) and has its full complement 0f 4 at present and can be competitive, there are more places available than there are volunteers, which makes the committee esentially a volunteer organization. The “select group” of officers referred to here are volunteers who are willing to take on the extra work. There is no competition for these posts. Anyone who offers is never turned down. NCDCC does not operate like the DCC’s in large counties where places are competitive and require a number of valid signatures on a petition to show adequate support from other Democrats and are elective positions on the ballot. I have, in fact, done the petitions for my 2 year terms on NCDCC, although few others have and go on simply by appointment and a vote of the committee. I cannot remeber one instance where anyone was turned down. There are Bylaws under which NCDCC supposedly acts, Also bylaws of the state umbrella organization. I have copies of both sets. Rules for endorsement are spelled out in these. Anyone interested in knowing what these are, or seeing how NCDCC operates may attend the next monthly meeting of NCDCC, Oct. 21 6:30, Briarpatch, open to all.
cdcc
So Pat, how many NCDCC members does it take to screw in a light bulb? You posed the question. Care to answer that? Don’t hold back now.
According to you, Sharon I are not supposed to post here, but you can ask a question like that? Pat, my double-standard detector is working overtime.
Previously, I forgot to answer your question about being a Dai Meagher endorser. I’ve been very clear as to who I support and why I support him. I’ve stated that I was an endorser very clearly in a blog post at this blog at least once. Look it up.
Have fun Pat. I’m through with this thread, because further effort here is a waste of my time and energy.
Sharon and I — unfortunate typo in paragraph 2
The Democratic Central Committee:
All positions on the NCDCC are supposed to be elected positions. NC is divided into 5 supervisorial districts with the number of positions on the NCDCC determined by registered voters within those districts. Terms are 2 years and change in odd numbered years. Because of the large number of positions required, the positions usually do not make it on the ballot, but are automatic because there is no opposition. One needs to call the elections office to find out when papers need to be taken out. Then you need to get 20-30 signatures of registered democrats in your district and have the papers turned in by a certain date. Ask for the date in the elections office. If there are 5 positions open in your district, and 5 or fewer people take out the papers, and you have the minimum of correct signatures of lawfully registered dem. voters then you are automatically elected. AFter that, you should get a certificate of office and be sworn in. If there are open seats, then the committee is allowed to fill the vacancies by appointment. In the past, if there were only 4 of 5 positions filled, then the 4 people who were elected would interview and approve or not approve anyone who wanted to be on the committee. It was not automatic. Each member of the DCC was a representative for the people in their supervisorial district. I am in district one. Steve Enos is in district three. The people on the Central committee who are in those districts represent the dems who live in their district. The board is the executive board and sets agendas for the general meetings, which are open to the public and meet on the third Thursday of the month…or did when I was on the committee. There is also an extensive set of bylaws, which can been seen on line, that govern how endorsements are to be made. Seems like a bunch of people here should take out papers and run for a seat on the Democratic Central Committee. Immediately after taking your seat on the Central Committee, you may elect new officers, and therefore a new executive board.
Correction: As I read the by laws, the officers are elected in January of an odd numbered year, and the elected members of the NCDCC need to take out papers in the even numbered years. Check the by laws at http://www.nevadacountydemocrats.com under “About us” I urge interested registered dems to take out papers and run for these positions. I also urge anyone dissatisfied with the current executive board to step up to the plate! Just remember that you represent the people in the supervisorial district to which you have been duly elected (or appointed in the case where not enough people take out papers)
I wish to address something that Doug Keachie posted. He said
“She (Tina) is furthering her experience by dedicating time with Chris Dabis. “I have attended the County Association of County Treasurer-Tax Collectors Educational Seminars for the past two years at my own expense.
If one would like to do some further investigation it is here:
CACTTC (California Association for County Treasurer and Tax Collectors).
It was reported that Tina Vernon had attended their seminars using her own money. So I went to their website:
http://www.cacttc.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=117830&orgId=cacttc
Here’s what I found out.
CACTTC has just one educational seminar per year. It lasts four days and is in the fall. Thus the maximum amount of CACTTC training that Tina had before filing her candidacy papers is: 8 days. (She just attended 4 additional days last week…so her grand total is 12 days.)
CACTTC also has a “conference” each year (also for about 4 days…but it’s not considered “educational”. Here’s the link the program (which includes golf) http://www.cacttc.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=102626&orgId=cacttc
CACTTC is an exclusive organization. Full membership is only extended to ELECTED California County Treasurers and Tax Collectors. It’s possible that Tina Vernon is an ASSOCIATE member but her name does not appear on the online roster (and never has). http://www.cacttc.org/mc/directory/viewSaveSearch.do?searchId=64939
To become an ASSOCIATE member, one has to be sponsored by 3 Treasurer/Tax Collectors. Has Tina been sponsored by 3 Treasurer/Tax Collectors? http://data.memberclicks.com/site/cacttc/CACTTC%20Membership.pdf
UNSOLVED MYSTERIES:
How did Tina Vernon obtained these sponsors?
Did E. Christina Dabis secure them for her?
Is E. Christina Dabis desperate to have Tina Vernon replace her?
Did Tina Vernon make any promised to E. Christina Dabis in exchange for her help with the campaign?
Hello everybody,
I am back from my road trip to Merced. My wife warned me about this discussion when I got home, “semi jokingly,” so I’ve been reading through it now (with a glass of red wine).
Albeit painful, I think this is a healthy discussion about differences of opinion when it comes to nonpartisan candidates. Yes, it’s “unfiltered” but that’s what this kind of forum is all about.
I do not know Dai well, but he asked for some informal advice a while ago, and — knowing the drill — I said:
1. Be prepared for personal attacks, even in a supposedly nonpartisan race.
2. Do not align yourself too closely with the hard right, because — as I’ve written here again and again — their extremism is the problem in our community now. I also believe it is waning — but they won’t tell you that. In fact, they’ll tell you just the opposite, but don’t get sucked in.
3. Trust the system. Too often I think people over-react to the “insider stuff” that average people don’t really know or care about. I mean, really, the race for a Treasurer isn’t top of mind when you cast your ballot.
4. No endorsements or donations from me. Even during the Diaz race, I said that was the only one I wanted to be involved in. I’m sure glad I was though! I nailed what would happen.
Last, hey, it’s OK to just agree to disagree and move on:
Thanks Jeff. Kumbaya – a good one!
Here’s my favorite:
For $2500., I will vote for Tina Vernon….maybe. Not for me but for those that she owes. Her deed is as bad as not voting, paying taxes, or living in ones district where he or she is elected, in my book.
whoops, not paying taxes.
The bankruptcy laws are a valid part of our legal system and are designed to help citizens who face a financial crisis get their lives and bills sorted out, pay what they can, work out payment if that is possible. There is a punitive element and those taking that route do not get off scott free. Businesses use this procedure all the time.
One of my grown children went through bankruptcy due to divorce, being a good father and putting support of his son first. He is a career law enforcement officer in another state, works hard, pays his bills. The bankruptcy was years ago. Did he do the right thing under the circumstances? I think so. I do not think the past bankruptcy disqualifies Tina Vernon for the office she is running for, nor does Meagher’s lien disqualify him. Few people, when their entire past records are examined closely, unless born to wealth and never having to work and support themselves, have never had a problem with finances.