Chuck Shea to Sharon,.. please review the movie “Farmageddon”,, then watch “Thrive” then go to http://www.defendruralamerica and watch the testimony from the folks in those video’s some are even PHD’s
Check out what happened to Rawsome Foods and the Farmer in Ventura County who was raising his goats,.. Please follow the Milk wars in Minnesota,, and the recent effort by LA Health Dept going door to door to cease raw milk! there are many other recent cases where farmers are under attack! I can add a lot more including specific actions taken here !
After you have seen all that and still have the same opinion,please showe me your data!
Chuck to Alfred,. Good question,, i have no idea.. probably dumped down the drain,,, the background,.. the milk was from organic pastures in Fresno,,,… the report of contaminated milk came from a diffenernt unknown source,, but the CDFA still force Organic pastures to do a state wide recall Briarpatch is a vendor and I buy the milk myself… the intial action was unwarranted and the action by LA Health was waaay outa whack!
This is a very interesting “cross-over” issue. Though I’m very leery of CABPRO, and wonder about hidden agendas, the issues of governmental over-regulation in such matters (think small, local, organic farms) can and should reach across the lines of rhetoric.
Chuck, I hope you do a lot better job than the old guard. One of them did give a fair and balanced opinion on an organic medicine that was commendable.
Thanks Annie!! We’re off to a good start! Had a lot of folks in attendance last night,..we are looking for folks to join in sub committee’s to focus on specific issues that affect our basic rights,, Like Food Freedom/Choice,, and I guess personal choice about how one elects to use Medicial Organics is a part of that, The goal and direction is not merely to get together and chat but to actually make positive changes at the County level,, you know offical acknowledgement of our basic rights as Free Americans to ” Choose”!..which are guaranteed under the Constitution,..in todays world,, this is a novel concept! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Chuck, What I know is I don’t want to know you. Somalia is half full of people with your same beliefs. The other half are dead. Huh?
Ha! Ha! Ha! This is a hoot! what the heck are you talking about?? I am really curious now!
Either you are ignoring or don’t realize that big business is behind all the examples you mentioned. When big business owns government through two political party’s it becomes tyrannical. USDA is a subsidiary of Big Agriculture or in a more official term the USDA has been captured.
Ben…And all this time I thought the big government labor corps were in charge of what goes on in government and hope to do the same in the private sector. Big business and big government sucking up to each other. Personally, I believe in freedom and free enterprise so hard working, inovative creators can achieve their dreams without being put down, robbed and discouraged. Our government today is only interested in itself and what it can get. For years lobbies (like the drug manufacturers and AMA) attacked health food stores and alternative medical treatments that healed many people who were told by AMA approved doctors to go home and die after their prescribed treatment didn’t work. I was at the Legislature with a room full of people who had been healed, but Whip Leo McCarthy only listened to the big lobbyies, not the people. He said California was a prestigious state (that couldn’t allow terminally ill sick people to be healed) setting an example for the rest of America. Then they made up the story that the people had been diagnosed improperly by the alternative doctors…but the truth was that the AMA aproved doctors were the ones that diagnosed the cancer, and put the people through the regular approved treatments that didn’t work, so they sent them home to die. Ray Dellugge, the former owner of Chief Crazy Horse Inn of Nevada City was one of those healed by alternative treatment, and used to write about it in the Union newspaper. He lived 92 years. Well, it looks like California is financially and politically sick and lost most of its former prestige. The cure is relatively simple for those who sincerely care. Those who poke fun are like sheep following the road McCarthy took in favor of the big lobbies they claim to adhore.
That doesn’t surprise me at all. When Obamacare was being organized there were insurance reps, pharmaceutical reps, AMA reps, and politicians at the table but no Nurses Association, no single payer, no patient advocates and for sure nobody from alternative medicine. In fact the second half of those examples were being arrested by Democrat Max Baucus who is the biggest recipient of health care dollars in the senate. Government at this moment is securing the profits of a big business in just about every industry. Why? Big business owns both republican and democratic party’s.
I think you’re right Ben. Years ago I noticed many non-profits activists instigating regulations destroying small businesses, that benefitted large corporations. In such a climate you would have to be wealthy to be able to be in business. It seemed obvious that by getting rid of a bunch of little buinesses it would be easier for the government to control and eventually nationalize the big ones. Something to keep an eye on is farming. Our food supply, or we’ll be standing in line to buy a loaf of bread. When you think about it this group of people keep the rest of us going and creating whatever needs doing. Without food, everything ceases to exist. The farmers are really under attack, but the managed media doesn’t say anything other than someone got sick from a melon, or bag of lettuce they bought. We don’t know if it was true, or whether the contaminated food had been deliberately tampered with. But the result could destroy the farmer. This type of thing has happened in the past. Remember the Bakersfield farmer Taung Ming-Lin, who wanted to grow his own veggies for his Chinese cuisine restaurant? One day the INS black helicopter showed up on his 723 acre farm. The occupants got out, went looking and found a Kangaroo rat the farmer had allegedly killed while plowing. How did they know where to find it? The government wanted to fine him $600,000 and force him to give up half his land to the government for species habitat and pay $172,000 a year for the upkeep of this land. Well, I don’t know how much it cost him to defend himself, but it caused a political uproar, and the government dropped it. I think Pacific Legal Foundation may have helped him, citing the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment that if the gov wanted his land “they” had to pay for it. Anyway, this is going on in every industry, but the only people who know are the ones affected. We noticed it when we were in the trucking business. http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Modern%20Day%20Highwaymen%201
Well, I would have gone, but went instead to a workshop at The Curious Forge in which we learned how to make a simple and cheap contact microphone. It utilizes a piezo electric disk which picks up gross, strong vibrations from whatever it is in physical contact with. Probably would have worked fine at their meeting. It makes an excellent pickup for guitars and the like. I plan on using a couple to monitor folks headed down our driveway. Pictures are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/keachie/sets/72157629873289336/detail/
Geez dude must of had a large restaurant to need a 723 acre farm to raise his veggies. It seems that Bonnie might have a selective memory on this story? Fortunately a lot of people are waking up and want to know where their food came from and how it was raised I sincerely hope that we will have the freedom in the future to still have choices to make.
Jon…I think your memory is pretty selective because you didn’t take the time to educate yourself about it online before you made your comment. Glad you know where your food comes from. Evidently there are many people who think it comes from the grocery store…Years ago, the Galt Historical Society (and Sacramento County) were restoring the old John McFarland Ranch. The plan was to make it a “living ranch” to show school children and tourists where and how milk, cheese, butter, eggs etc. are made because the origin of most products has been largely overlooked by masses of city dwellers who take these basic foods for granted. “Since they come from the supermarket, who needs ranchers and farmers.” Geez….
Interesting and important thread. My computors have been down and a new email program on my laptop which is confusing as the above issue have left me behind. Will try and watch all of the video tomorrow, but from what I saw now, it seemed a few quotes and some facts were “cheery picked” for convenience. I am aware of reports of various outbreaks of sickness across the country due, supposedly, to food products lacking inspection. Don’t know how true reports were and if true what caused the food to spoil when it reached the market. Certainly no one is saying that such a problem can’t happen. In local markets, the question of how much gov’t oversight is needed, I would think, has merit.
Much more skeptical when I hear anecdotal stories of people being cured of cancer and other serious diseases by althernative medicines and therapies. While I believe some TCM can alleviate symptoms of some illnesses, and supplements can e benefical for certain conditions, claims of cures require hard evidence, IMO. And I do understand the role of Big Pharma in healthcare industry, having, as I’ve said, been ill a great part of my life.
In fact, my cluster headaches–I guess that is what they are–returned about five days agi, waking me at 4:00 a.m. with the pain in in my left eye making me feel like the eye was going to shoot out at any moment. Despite all the pain meds I have, the headaches are still here, and if past is prelude, may be here for several more weeks. But what I wanted to say now was when a guy came to to fix a leak in the roof of my house in Oceanside, preparing it for sale prior to my move to G.V., we began to talk. I was on medical leave at the time, for my 3rd cancer, the B-cell lymphoma, when he told me he’d had Hodgkin’s Disease. Well, that was my cancer #1, stage IV, supposedly terminal, since it had spread into lower vertebrae of spine, left side of hip and left femur, and spleen which was cut out and of course, multiple lymph glands. Also, several parts of liver were cut out, but it had not spread there. Still, the prognosis was, “I’m sorry.” Then the other fellow told me how he beat his Hodgkin’s, by drinking lots of fresh green juices he prepared in his blender, ala Jack LaLane. I began asking questions: did you ever have a biopsy? Well, no. What were your symptoms? Any other kind of treatment? What was your bloodwork like? But the most important question was that he had never had a biopsy. And a diagnosis of cancer for Hodgkins Disease as with most cancer–leukemias are different–relie on a positive biopsy. So, he didn’t know what he had, but w/o a biopsy he sure couldn’t say it was cancer and couldn’t say, as he did, that drinking fresh green juices cured him.
After that conversation, I wasout on the sidewalk talking to my neighbor when suddenly she starts to almost scream, pointing to the guy up on my roof. I turn aroung and look up, and the guy is on fire, at least his jeans were burning and he was slapping at them to put out the flames, which he soon did. Well, that was the clincher for me. I wasn’t going to believe anybodys story who sets themselves on fire while fixing a leak in my roof.
Cancer isn’t diagnosed by guess work; but by biopsy or with leukemia with flow cytrometry and gene rearrangement studies. And maybe so other esoteric methods with rare cancers; but somehow you gotta find some cancer cells.
Interesting…My cousin is a highly educated physician who works with a medical group in Washington D.C. who have done some marvelous things. The humorous side of this is that Washington D.C. tells the AMA lobby wolves they have no jurisdiction there, because the government likes what the group is achieving. You might enjoy reading more: http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Barbara's%20Place
Very impressive bio inckuding great pioneering work in allergy prevention via changes in diet, and the crap the medical establishment gave her for her efforts. Hat Tip!
Forbiden Medicine by Ellen Brown
“Jimmy kept his formula and protocol secret because he did not trust the drug companies that might get hold of it, and because his treatment was unique to each patient and could not really be captured in a written formula; but he is no longer able to oversee the therapy he developed and practiced with such remarkable success. In the interest of helping to develop new healing modalities that serve mankind over vested financial interests, his family has therefore agreed to make the formula for his basic serum available for development and testing. For more information, see http://www.forbiddenmedicine.org.”
With this new IncrediMail 2.0 email program, as best as I can tell, Ben, you reply was to me. It is totally out of the ordinary for me to still be up this late, trying to figure out this new system, and the multitutude of things one can do–if one knows how–compared to my regular emai
I’ll just say this, having watched nore, but not all of the video, I’m quite aware of the the very fierce struggle that eruptrd over Hamilton’s creation of the first National Bank, and the power the banks have wielded in society since the first reak system of international banking developed under the Knights Templars until they, their money and banking sysem were destroyed on Friday the 13th, the assault led by the king of France. And I don’t think much has changed, as recent events have demonstrated once again, The big bankers, and the Wall Street Players are greedt, dangerous people. I had an insider’s view of how they operated during the mid-80′s savings and loan crisis while I was in Texas. And the big bankers were some of the primary backers of the little known, failed, attempted right wing coup to oust FDR, foiled my Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. Of course, then as now, the rich right wingers denied every thing, amd the matter was dropped, and then, like in 2008, no big players went to jail. So I with you on reforming the banking system–but it is not an area I know much about.
Regarding suppressed cures for canncer, I’ve seen one after another of these claims, including the Dr. Bryzinski (sp) 0n Houston. Not just through my own experience, but also through an Interhantional Listserve I co-own and run with a few others and certain cancers are an important part of what we deal with and alternative and TCM are frequently discussed and used and evaluated. As a doctor friend of mine who had a ckinic in India for many year told me when visiting me in Oceanside, the Buddhist monks would use alternative medicines, but when their health really started to deteriorate, they left the monostary and came to him for the big guns–Western medicines. I could continue, but can[t keep my eyes open any longer . . .
Dear Chuck–first and foremost kudos to you for posting here and entering into what can be the lions den at times. Good luck in your new position as well.
With that said, a few comments about local food, food freedom and the relative perils of connecting the new food movement to other libertarian causes (more on this later.)
I consider myself a huge supporter of local food, organic foods and strongly support peoples right to consume raw foods. Having taken nutrition classes I understand the enzyme benefits that many believe come from raw foods, and the value of consuming bacteria and micro-organisms that can improve the immune system. I believe that reconnecting our local food systems, and reducing dependence on processed foods and foods that travel great distances thus reducing nutritional value, will create greater economic opportunity, dramatically improve human health, and contribute strongly to the health and productivity of the land. In addition, I look at local (and raw) foods the same way I look at legalized drugs–people should have the right to ultimately make the final decision about what they wish to consume–government should not have a strong role in making the determination.
In the case of raw milk, it is a proven fact that raw milk can contain dangerous pathogens like salmonella, brucellosis, bovine tuberculosis and listeria. It is also widely speculated that raw milk may have substantive health benefits due to the presence of some protective proteins.
I do believe that producers, and if necessary government, should play some role in educating consumers about the relative risks of consuming a product. Although I strongly support individual freedom and choice on food, I think it needs to be a relatively well informed choice. Just as consuming tobacco should be labeled as risky, to some extend the choice to consume potentially dangerous foods should be conscious.
In my humble opinion the FDA has allowed the development and widespread distribution of some highly questionable products, like pink slime and corn syrup, largely driven by the size of the lobby that commodity agricultural producers possess. I agree that it is fundamentally hypocritical to ban raw milk and promote pink slime. But to me this is a strong argument for the reform of the FDA, the creation of higher standards and realistic assessment of local food systems, to identify risks and inform the consumer, not a rationale for the elimination of food safety systems. But I also believe that many of those food safety systems can and should be local.
I have come to this conclusion having widely read many of the current literature on local food. I’ve seen Farmageddon, read Food Politics, and Fast Food Nation, Empire of Food, Concentration in Agricultural Markets, consumed Michael Pollen, along with most current lit on local food. I’ve done so because I think redefining how we eat is a great opportunity not just for health but for our social and economic well being.
Here’s to local food. Lets hope it grows to fundamentally challenge commodity systems that dehumanize our diets and separate us from the land that sustains us all.
And this is where the libertarian thing comes in.
I took a look at the Defend Rural America web site, and frankly, the association of the local food movement with the causes promoted there, is going to do nothing to advance the shared goal of promoting local foods. The connection of local food to the belief that Agenda 21 is a global conspiracy to steal American sovereignty, to attacks on ranchers and farmers who exercise their private property rights to sell conservation easements, to support the maintenance of obsolete dams that will actually increase costs to consumers at the expense of fishermen, to unsustainable forestry policies that support widespread clear-cutting, to overturning the endangered species act which protects the publics legitimate interest in species diversity, only serves to marginalize the local food movement. I think that would be a real shame.
So I guess the question is, do you stand by the allegations and messages delivered on the Defend Rural America site? Are you prepared to defend those ideas (which you linked to here making it an issue) in a rational, fact based discussion? Do you really want your core cause, more rights for farmers and expansion of the local food movement, to be linked to that discussion?